[Debate] Gay Marriage

[Throavium]

Attracted to opposite but pretending to be attracted to the same gender = Sexually confused?

Being pretentious.

[coolguy753]

Here's what you have to understand. When you say "Christians", obviously you're not talking about all Christians. There are a lot of Christians like Stevencho and Mariolee, who think gays should be allowed to marry. Then there are Christians who are for civil unions. Then there are Christians who simply do not believe that gays should be allowed to marry in a Christian church. But then there are Christians who would rather die than see gays be allowed to marry in their state or community.

They don't see it as a "rights" issue. They don't see it as a civil/social issue at all. In their eyes, gays are not just sinners... they are less than human. Disgusting, filthy perversions of what mankind is supposed to be. They see gays as being the polar opposite of everything about themselves... immoral, dirty, diseased, sexual creatures whose only goal in life is to get into bed with as many people of the same sex as possible. When they think of gay couples being married, they don't see two loving individuals wanting to spend their life together... they see two of those immoral, diseased gays wanting to have sex all the time and teach little kids to have sex with their own sex. They see those little kids in turn teaching their OWN kids to "turn gay". And when you involve THEIR kids, the shit hits the fan.

When it comes to these people, there are two main groups who are threatening the sanctity of life, the beauty of marriage, and the stedfastness of the American family: terrorists, and gays.

Well yeah, of course, I was generalizing, and I didn't mean to put all Christians into one group. Apologies if that was the impression I gave off.

The thing is, going by people I've talked to, the bible doesn't condemn homosexuality as being quite as bad as you just stated. Yes, it is demeaned and named a sin, but there is also the thing about Jesus loving everyone no matter what, right? Again, my knowledge is very sketchy so I can't make any conclusive statements. But still, I don't think it's quite as outright against homosexuality as some people seem to claim. Whatever the case, I hold little respect for people who see non-heteros in that light, and try to pay little attention to them.

I'm pretty sure that is the definition of Gay.

Not really. Heterosexuals can love people of the same sex. Sexual orientation merely refers to sexual attraction, it actually has no direct correlation with masculinity/femininity and other traits commonly stereotyped.

*insert speech on how Hell doesn't exist*

Well yeah, and doesn't this effectively negate discriminatory comments by some people regarding so-called "sinners"?

[Element]

The thing is, going by people I've talked to, the bible doesn't condemn homosexuality as being quite as bad as you just stated. Yes, it is demeaned and named a sin, but there is also the thing about Jesus loving everyone no matter what, right? Again, my knowledge is very sketchy so I can't make any conclusive statements. But still, I don't think it's quite as outright against homosexuality as some people seem to claim. Whatever the case, I hold little respect for people who see non-heteros in that light, and try to pay little attention to them.

The thing here is, yes, we have to love the homosexual. What the bible says, is that the thing they do is bad, not the person itself. I'm going to make a comparison, but please don't get it wrong.
For example, there's this guy and he is a thief. He has been stealing things his whole live. His mother loves him, as he is her son, and she things he is a good boy despite the thievery. But she doesn't love what he does. She doesn't agree, and she wants this thing out of his life. IS similar to that. Of course, I'm not saying that homosexuality is like thievery. But for the Christian point of view, both are sins (And remember there's no big sin, or small sin). Homosexuals, should have the same rights as every one else. Just because they made a wrong choice (Again, from the Christian point of view. If you like I can explain more of the "choice" part.) shouldn't mean they have to lose these rights.

[oxol]

Not really. Heterosexuals can love people of the same sex. Sexual orientation merely refers to sexual attraction

No it doesn't? If you're heterosexual and loves people of the same gender, you're bisexual.
The sexual orientation refers to romantic or sexual attraction towards different genders.

And, relevant;

[slimd1995]

No it doesn't? If you're heterosexual and loves people of the same gender, you're bisexual.
The sexual orientation refers to romantic or sexual attraction towards different genders.

Pretty sure he was referring to platonic love. The way you love your father.

[Necromancer]

Pretty sure he was referring to platonic love. The way you love your father.

Was just gonna say this.

[oxol]

Pretty sure he was referring to platonic love. The way you love your father.

Was just gonna say this.

Ah, perhaps. I think it was a bit unclear if that's the case, but then I understand.

[stevencho]

Well yeah, and doesn't this effectively negate discriminatory comments by some people regarding so-called "sinners"?

Well the Bible does talk about a future where humans will be able to live forever on Earth under a government ruled by God otherwise known as "the kingdom". But in order to be a part of that, our morals and conduct have to be in harmony with God's principles. But as for anyone being eternally tortured in a fiery land under the ground? That's not in the Bible.

[mchapra]

I don't get why people are so ready to literally stone anyone against Gay Marriage. Here are my views:

1) I think, as the bible says and as my Christian faith declares that it is a sin.

You see, the key to make people take you seriously is...

2) However, because we are given free will, it is a choice people are free to make and not one that should cause us to treat people differently. Gay people are people too, they have feelings too, and many truly are the victim of scientific hormonal imbalances that cause them to like their sex. We should still treat them as though they were our flesh and blood, and if you really have a problem with them (as a Christian) just say your piece about why it may be wrong and LEAVE.

That's pretty noble, I wouldn't use the condecending lesser person tone you used but yeah us gay folks are people too-

3) I don't see the point in being gay just for the hell of 'being gay'. I've had way too many teenagers who go on and on about "I'LL NEVER FIND A BF/GF I MUST BE GAY" or "I THOUGHT OF HER NAKED I MUST BE GAY". No, that's really just stupidity. As a teenager your hormones are all out of wack and won't settle down until you reach adulthood. Think about how we all used to be fascinated with 'reproduction' and many of us don't obsess about it anymore. This choice of sexuality I believe should be taken seriously and talked about properly.

Uh... moving on. Because that makes not a single lick of sense. Not one. No one is gay because it's cool(unless it's Jack :v)

4) I hate how people pro-gay marriage often ask me if I chose my sexuality. YES, I did. I was brought up with straight families and influences, but there was a time where I wondered if I was gay. Then I later decided that since men and women were (obviously) made for each other and that I had a whole life to find a partner (if I wanted one) I wasn't going to be gay. I used my common sense for the men and women made for each other bit, not even what the bible told me; Point A goes into Hole B, creating object C.

So we don't have orfices if we're gay. Good point. 10/10 will read again.

5) I believe marriage is a Christian sacrament. How can you actually bring a gay couple before a priest, perhaps even in a church to get married

That's bullshit. Marraige has been around way before the jesus crew was a thing. So marraige isn't "God's". Marraige isn't a sacred divine bond. You are using religious definition of marraige to defend your homophobia in a country where it's clear that there is a seperation of church from state.

If you have a basketball party and only want Miami Heat fans attending, I can't just show up in my Celtics shirt and say "but I should have equal rights too!". Sure it might be wonderful if I could attend the party but it's out of my control and the host said no, so back to my house I go. You just need to respect the wishes of institutions that were already SET before you were even born.

Also so I have to respect archaic, old, backwards laws set before me even though there is a chance for improvement? Ok then guess those Jews born during the holocaust didn't need to protest against what the Nazis did(GOODWINS LAW FTW!!!!). Because obviously they were set before them. Obviously. Because I'd like to pull your attention to that the government was not found on christian values in America's inception. The Founding Fathers were christian but they did not impose a merge of church law and state law because that'd defeat the entire goddamn purpose of starting the damn country.

6) Using the same analogy as before, let's say that me in my Celtics gear still wanted to party hard, so i might go to a social rather than private gathering with no restrictions. That's fine is it not? No one told me I can't wear my celtics stuff so i can party on as I please, same thing with gays and civil unions. Now, if you live in a country where marriage is NOT a Christian sacrament and has no links to Christianity whatsoever (no priest, no church service), then why not.

Do you even know how insulting it is to tell someone to move out? Have you ever earned a single dollar from hard work? Are you aware of the costs of travel? Moving? Your post makes you seem like that you have no idea how much sacrifice it takes to move to another damn contenent or country.

Long story short, treat gays the same as everyone else

Gah! Hypocrisy, it burns!

The original bible ain't changing buddy

Ahahahahahaha

unless you can re-write it to convince Christians that it's okay to marry gay couples in 'God's house' then look for your rights somewhere else.

Excuse me? Again are you bashing gays or saying we should treat them as people, at the start of this shit you said that you think they are equal. But I guess not equal enough to fight for their rights.

[Throavium]

Homosexuality doesn't affect anyone except other Homosexuals, the same goes for any other sexual orientation. Homosexuality being a choice is really irrelevant, this points back to the first point, homosexuals don't affect anyone except other Homosexuals.

Also, if Homosexuality is a choice, then I should be able choose to be attracted to men, it's impossible for me to do so because I was born a Heterosexual. Basically, all of the other reasons not to support Homosexual marriage, such as Homosexuality being a sin is erroneous, because it doesn't affect Heterosexuals, or their doings in anyway.

[SilentMan101]

Also, if Homosexuality is a choice, then I should be able choose to be attracted to men, it's impossible for me to do so because I was born a Heterosexual.

Bingo. Being Gay is in no way a choice. People need to stop thinking that it is! If I could choose to like women and never have any hate directed towards me because i'm simply attracted to the same sex, I would. Its tough being gay in a country where "God's word is law" yet people twist his word to make is say something that it doesn't. Christian can cover their hate all they want by using the Bible as a shield but if you are against the happiness of another person and it no way effects you, you are a heartless monster. I mean people can hate me for being me but it honestly doesn't bother me. I know at the end of the day I'm a great person and they are the ones I should feel bad for.

[Throavium]

After reading that quote, I think I should proof read my posts first, jeez. Ugly wording errors.

[super-mega-hyper-sonic]

Being Gay is A-Okay

[woopwoop11]

Being Gay is A-Okay

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[Eggboy'13]

Bingo. Being Gay is in no way a choice. People need to stop thinking that it is! I

"I think gays choose to be gay, y'know. *Insert some shit about if you are christian and gay you should make an effort to be straight because you know it's a sin*"
-Christian friend

"You know that they actually found the homo gene, right? It's a thing. They have proven it. As if it needed to be proven"
-brother

"Yeah, well, it's just what I believe, man."
-christian friend

Actual motherfucking quote.

[stevencho]

Actual motherfucking quote.

It's a known fact that the world is filled with morons.

[Jbone]

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At Mchapra, but also in general. That stupidity is what I hate from many teenagers today.

Also guy, you can't just quote parts of my sentence and call it hypocrisy. I did say treat gays the same as everyone else and added my 'EXCEPT' in there as well for a reason. How do you tell my tone from the internet anyway? I wasn't trying to be condescending, I know that. Regardless of how archaic or backwards you think Christianity is, it still has it's own rules and things you can or cant do as a PART of it. Same as if I thought the Miami Heat party was old-fashioned and stupid, I still was in no position to challenge the host's authority.

[stevencho]

Regardless of how archaic or backwards you think Christianity is, it still has it's own rules and things you can or cant do as a PART of it. Same as if I thought the Miami Heat party was old-fashioned and stupid, I still was in no position to challenge the host's authority.

Again. I don't think the issue ever was homosexuals being able to get a Christian marriage.

[mchapra]

Also guy, you can't just quote parts of my sentence and call it hypocrisy. I did say treat gays the same as everyone else and added my 'EXCEPT' in there as well for a reason.

The original bible ain't changing buddy, so unless you can re-write it to convince Christians that it's okay to marry gay couples in 'God's house' then look for your rights somewhere else.

Long story short, treat gays the same as everyone else,

:)

Regardless of how archaic or backwards you think Christianity is, it still has it's own rules and things you can or cant do as a PART of it. Same as if I thought the Miami Heat party was old-fashioned and stupid, I still was in no position to challenge the host's authority.

Implying Christian marriage is the only marriage and America's state religion is Christianity.

Here's a magic hint: It isn't.