[Debate] Gay Marriage

[Ronthis the Werewolf]

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

[Luigi53]

It doesn't bother me at all, if somebody wants to marry their own gender, fine by me.

[Throavium]

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Compelling argument, will read again.

[SilentMan101]

Oh wow, Koopa's an asshole. Awesome.

To deny ANYONE their RIGHT to marry the one they love is the most utterly ridiculous thing. Ever. How dare YOU and any other person have the right to take a way rights of others. It's disgusting.

We deserve to be treated equally. We don't want "special" treatment we just want to be treated fair.

Btw, everyone should see this.

[stevencho]

From a purely moral view I don't find homosexual marriage acceptable. But from a legal standpoint I would not support making gay marriage illegal. I don't believe it is up to the government to forcibly instill certain morals or ethics on people. That should be something people deal with personally.

[beardedwalrus]

I've never understood why the government feels the need to govern certain groups of people differently based on their bedroom preferences. It's like "Yeah, we're all people here! Equal rights and freedoms to everyone! Except FAGS. They take it in the butt, so fuck their freedoms!"

[YamiGekusu]

I've never given a flying shit about government. But when they start saying, "Marriage is between one man and one woman ONLY", that's when I get mad. Seriously. If two people of the same gender love each other, LET THEM GET MARRIED if they want. I don't see why the government can tell us who to marry.

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To deny ANYONE their RIGHT to marry the one they love is the most utterly ridiculous thing. Ever. How dare YOU and any other person have the right to take a way rights of others. It's disgusting.

We deserve to be treated equally. We don't want "special" treatment we just want to be treated fair.

^This. So much this.

[Luigi53]

To deny ANYONE their RIGHT to marry the one they love is the most utterly ridiculous thing. Ever. How dare YOU and any other person have the right to take a way rights of others. It's disgusting.

We deserve to be treated equally. We don't want "special" treatment we just want to be treated fair.

I agree with you man. I still don't even know why they allow people to vote on this. What if homosexuals could vote to ban straight marriage? I'm pretty sure alot of people would be pissed then.

[TwistedTinkerToy]

From a purely moral view I don't find homosexual marriage acceptable. But from a legal standpoint I would not support making gay marriage illegal. I don't believe it is up to the government to forcibly instill certain morals or ethics on people. That should be something people deal with personally.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts. I don't necessarily "support" gay marriage, but I definitely don't think it should be up to the government to say if two people can get married or not.

[roza]

I find it stupid how people are against it, saying it will lead to the downfall of society and allow people to marry animals soon.
When women were given rights, it didn't lead to camels getting the vote. When blacks were accepted as equal, it didn't allow the family dog to be classed as human. And neither degraded humanity as a civilisation. And neither will allowing gay's to marry. Saying it degrades the value of marriage is like saying allowing a football team wearing a pink strip will degrade the hear of the sport. Being so negative about it degrades you as a human because you can't show compassion to your fellow human. Be they, gay, straight, bi or asexual. Those who have such strong issues really need to sort themselves out.

Marriage is marriage. If they are in love it is the same thing as straight marriage.

[KoopaDasher]

The United States was created as a representative Republic. We have a Federal Government that handles issues between states and deals with foreign policy for us, but the majority of things that we deal with in our lives are controlled by the states themselves. As the United States Constitution says:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This is very important. We have several million people in our country. They come from different countries, different cultures, different backgrounds, different religions. They have different morals and values, different expectations. They have different views on the role of government in their lives. To ask every state to subscribe to the exact same laws would be suicide. California is known for being the most liberal state in the country. There are laws that they might pass that other states, like Virginia, would never even consider passing. To ask either state to maintain the laws of the other would not keep either state happy.

So states are allowed to make their own laws. And the people in them are allowed to vote on those laws. At the local level, counties are allowed to make even MORE specific laws. For instance, some counties have no issue with the sale of alcohol. But some counties do, and they choose to pass laws saying that no one can sell alcohol in their county.

And then we have another addition:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I have bolded the phrase "without due process", because it is very important. It is that phrase which allows states to set laws on how old you have to be to obtain a driver's license. How old you must be before you can buy alcohol. Whether or not they want to allow the sale of marijuana. Whether or not you must ride in a booster seat if you weigh less than 80 lbs. And of course, the topic at hand... whether or not homosexual couples can marry.

Legally speaking, any state is allowed to deprive anyone of any right, as long as they take the appropriate legal steps to do so, which involves allowing the representatives to vote on whether or not the issue should be on the ballot at the next election, and then allowing the people to vote.

In this case, my state used the due process of law to decide on whether or not gay marriage should be legal. My state is largely conservative. Almost entirely Christian. It doesn't have a large minority population. And it is largely rural. The people of this state decided that gay marriage went against their shared beliefs as a community, and a voting majority of nearly three quarters of the state passed the bill into law to ban gay marriage.

It is our legal right to do so, just as it is our legal right to decide whether or not we will allow the sale of alcohol (we do, btw).

End of discussion. Regardless of your feelings, regardless of whether or not you consider us to be heartless, this is legal, we took the appropriate steps to do so, and the majority of the states here have done the exact same thing.

[SilentMan101]

I mean honestly, who ever votes against it is supporting discrimination. I mean you minds well hate blacks and Jews to. If you can't support two people who love each other enough to get married and instead want to deny THEM happiness in a world that already discriminates against them daily then you sir are a heartless person. It's that simple. Life is way to short for all this bull shit.

[KoopaDasher]

I mean honestly, who ever votes against it is supporting discrimination. I mean you minds well hate blacks and Jews to. If you can't support two people who love each other enough to get married and instead want to deny THEM happiness in a world that already discriminates against them daily then you sir are a heartless person. It's that simple. Life is way to short for all this bull shit.

Sure it's discrimination. But so is not letting people under 21 drink, and not letting pot smokers have weed legally, and not letting people under 18 join the army, and not letting four year olds sit in a normal car seat, or not letting people under 18 have drivers' licenses. Or how about the areas that don't sell alcohol on Sunday? Or all of the restaurants that make people smoke outside? It's all discrimination. But it's our choice to do so. Gay marriage would open up a can of worms that the people in this state do not want to deal with. It goes against their beliefs, their values, and they believe that it devalues their own marriages. Besides that, it's a religious issue for them. If they voted to allow it, they would be going against God.

This is why states have open borders. You don't like it? I hear New York allows it.

[beardedwalrus]

Sure it's discrimination. But so is not letting people under 21 drink, and not letting pot smokers have weed legally, and not letting people under 18 join the army, and not letting four year olds sit in a normal car seat, or not letting people under 18 have drivers' licenses. Or how about the areas that don't sell alcohol on Sunday? Or all of the restaurants that make people smoke outside? It's all discrimination.

Those aren't even close to being good comparisons. Telling a teenager that he's too young to do something that could potentially end his life if gone about the wrong way, or trying to protect the lives of children in automobile accidents, is the same thing as telling two people that love each other that they can't get married? That's just stupid.

[KoopaDasher]

Maybe this would help. A large portion of people in this state don't think of gays as being people. I'm not saying I'm that way, because I'm not, but it's an observation I've made about others. They pretty much see them as animals.

[beardedwalrus]

Maybe this would help. A large portion of people in this state don't think of gays as being people. I'm not saying I'm that way, because I'm not, but it's an observation I've made about others. They pretty much see them as animals.

This is the sad truth. Which is why you hear that tired "WELL IF GAYS CAN GET MARRIED WHY CANT I MARRY MY DOG" argument all the time. But even with that being true, why side with those people? We should be educating those dumbfucks and making them realize how disgusting that view of gay people is, not voting with them.

[Leegion]

It shouldn't be allowed to be "banned" Koopa, people should have a right to do what they want and how they want to. If a guy falls in love with another guy then that's his business, no one else's and no one person should have the right to proclaim how another person lives their life. I for one would vote to legalize it any day of the week, I'm straight and I have a girlfriend, do I have a problem with two guys in a relationship? No.

It's despicable to think that people like you still exist in today's world. First white people had a problem with black people, making them their slaves and now straight people or homophobes are strictly against legalizing gay marriage. Putting them in the exact same catagory as the black people were in during the early 20th century.

Hitler had a similar outlook on Jewish people that Homophobes have against Gay people, throw them all in the gas chamber, that's essentially the motive for homophobes. The Americans and British who fought against him fought for the liberty and independance of their respective countries, but when someone says they voted to BAN gay marriage does that make you any better than a dictator?

That is how homophobic people are acting towards Gay people nowadays, they see them as a threat. They're not a threat. What's the f***ing difference if this bill gets passed? It makes no difference to you, you don't have to become gay just because a bill is passed, everyone has their own way of living their life and NO PERSON should be able to dictate how someone lives. It's wrong, inhuman and downright disgusting to think that people are still like this in modern society.

In my opinion, anyone who agrees with this "vote against gay marriage" bill is a stain on this planet and should be ashamed of themselves for thinking they are better than another person, just because of their sexual orientation.

[Nerdysimmer]

Maybe this would help. A large portion of people in this state don't think of gays as being people. I'm not saying I'm that way, because I'm not, but it's an observation I've made about others. They pretty much see them as animals.

News flash: People are fucking stupid and the term "common sense" is ironic.

[Throavium]

Sure it's discrimination. But so is not letting people under 21 drink, and not letting pot smokers have weed legally, and not letting people under 18 join the army, and not letting four year olds sit in a normal car seat, or not letting people under 18 have drivers' licenses. Or how about the areas that don't sell alcohol on Sunday? Or all of the restaurants that make people smoke outside? It's all discrimination. But it's our choice to do so. Gay marriage would open up a can of worms that the people in this state do not want to deal with. It goes against their beliefs, their values, and they believe that it devalues their own marriages. Besides that, it's a religious issue for them. If they voted to allow it, they would be going against God.

This is why states have open borders. You don't like it? I hear New York allows it.

Wow, alcohol laws and weed laws, car seat laws, apply to all people. Gay marriage only applies to gay people. That is not the same thing.

[TheNiceGuy]

I think that gay marriage should be allowed, but I don't want everyone shoving the topic in my face. I really don't think it should be such a big deal.