The Religious Discussion Thread

[Mariolee]

But he didn't conquer the grave. He was resurrected by the Father back to heaven. What hope does his resurrection give?

I'm simply saying that Jesus told his followers to commemorate his death and didn't say anything about his resurrection. That's why we personally choose to only celebrate one.

The hope is if people doubted before they wouldn't anymore, that Jesus defeats all and that death has no power against God. Resurrecting Himself is in my opinion, conquering the grave. He proved that when He gave up his soul, He came back and is with us today. Although you could argue that God the Father is still with us, if Jesus died and did not rise again, that would mean that God had permanently lose a part of Himself, a part that bridged the gap between his deity and his ability to relate to us mortals. But that part of Him came back, and is with us and that's what gives us hope.

And yeah, I understand that's why you only celebrate His death, I'm just explaining why a lot of the denominations choose to also celebrate his resurrection.

Yeah, but unfortunately there are people like that out there. I don't mind overly religious people, I just don't like ignorant religious people, like they're making fun of.

That's like saying you don't want to be human because you're afraid of turning into a murderer or something. That line of logic doesn't make sense. Christianity in and of itself doesn't require you to be an ignorant Bible thumper, and I think that's the common misconception that a lot of people have about religion in general.

I would advise you to research more about religion (both from the secular AND religious perspectives) if you really want to get a feel about what religion is about.

[Rex_the_dinosoar]

I'm just gonna leave this here. This is why I'm not religious, I don't want to turn into one of these people.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/

Oh wow, I thought this was a joke at first. Those people on that site are serious 0__0
Kind of scary..

[Mariolee]

Oh wow, I thought this was a joke at first. Those people on that site are serious 0__0
Kind of scary..

It is a joke. Unless that was the joke. In that case there's some massive Jokeception that's going on.

[Unknown Flames]

I hate the thread name.

Can either Cho or SP rename it to "The Religious Discussion Thread"? A debate sounds like we're arguing over religions, something that I don't think we are.

[stevencho]

The hope is if people doubted before they wouldn't anymore, that Jesus defeats all and that death has no power against God. Resurrecting Himself is in my opinion, conquering the grave. He proved that when He gave up his soul, He came back and is with us today. Although you could argue that God the Father is still with us, if Jesus died and did not rise again, that would mean that God had permanently lose a part of Himself, a part that bridged the gap between his deity and his ability to relate to us mortals. But that part of Him came back, and is with us and that's what gives us hope.

Wait what? Wasn't the whole point of Jesus coming to earth to prove that a perfect man could live his entire life in obedience to God even to the point of an undeserved death thus paying back the sin of the first perfect man, Adam. If Jesus was God then wouldn't he in fact just be proving that God could be obedient to God? That doesn't make much sense. :/

[Mariolee]

Wait what? Wasn't the whole point of Jesus coming to earth to prove that a perfect man could live his entire life in obedience to God even to the point of an undeserved death thus paying back the sin of the first perfect man, Adam. If Jesus was God then wouldn't he in fact just be proving that God could be obedient to God? That doesn't make much sense. :/

I agree that He does all the things you listed, but he wasn't just being obedient to Himself, but to the standards He established. Although He was God in mind and spirit, his earthly body which was separated from his Heavenly Father one still felt the same difficult temptations that we deal with all the time and more, so it wasn't exactly easy to be "obedient to Himself". This is where the idea of the Trinity comes in, which I'm not sure if Jehovah's Witnesses belief in so that could explain our disagreements here haha

[Daemon]

What's that religion called when you don't completely rule out the possibility of a creator, but you're still basically an atheist? I'm that one.

[Mariolee]

What's that religion called when you don't completely rule out the possibility of a creator, but you're still basically an atheist? I'm that one.

Agnosticism.

[Daemon]

Agnosticism.

Yep, that one.

[Unknown Flames]

Agnosticism.

The lazy man's Atheist.

[Throavium]

That's why you just say you are "religiously inquisitive". Either way, people won't let you sit on the fence. They want to classify your religion to feel more comfortable with themselves.

[stevencho]

I agree that He does all the things you listed, but he wasn't just being obedient to Himself, but to the standards He established. Although He was God in mind and spirit, his earthly body which was separated from his Heavenly Father one still felt the same difficult temptations that we deal with all the time and more, so it wasn't exactly easy to be "obedient to Himself". This is where the idea of the Trinity comes in, which I'm not sure if Jehovah's Witnesses belief in so that could explain our disagreements here haha

But according to that idea he was still God. The whole point was that in order to rectify Adam's sin there needed to be another equal perfect man. Thus Jesus was called the Last Adam. But if Jesus was just God in human form, how could that be a fair equal to Adam? And wouldn't it be impossible for God to sin against himself? It just seems pointless if Jesus is God.

[Mariolee]

But according to that idea he was still God. The whole point was that in order to rectify Adam's sin there needed to be another equal perfect man. Thus Jesus was called the Last Adam. But if Jesus was just God in human form, how could that be a fair equal to Adam? And wouldn't it be impossible for God to sin against himself? It just seems pointless if Jesus is God.

Jesus would never have been a fair equal to Adam just by the fact He wasn't Adam. He was born in a different time period with the different culture, and sent with a different purpose with more knowledge about God. The only necessity that needed to be shared between the two was the inherent human desire to sin and to know what God desired. Just because He was God in human form didn't mean He didn't suffer from His flesh and earthly needs. This is exemplified by the temptations in the desert. Both of them knew what was expected of them, but one of them chose to succumb to the desires while the other chose to be in God's will. It's not impossible for God to sin against Himself either, it's simply improbable.

[SilentMan101]

I believe in God. And I also think he might be an Alien.

[Daemon]

I believe in God. And I also think he might be an Alien.

Um...if there is a god he's clearly a predator.

[SilentMan101]

Um...if there is a god he's clearly a predator.

I dunno. With the ways Xeno's reproduce i'd like to think God is a Xeno. Or maybe A Space Jockey O.O

[Eggboy'13]

Haven't you guys heard? Keanu Reeves is Jesus.

[Ronthis the Werewolf]

Haven't you guys heard? Keanu Reeves is Jesus.

I support this theory.

And Morgan Freeman is God.

[Higashi89]

No, Chuck Norris is the only God here.

[Eggboy'13]

No, Chuck Norris is the only God here.

Never heard of this Norris guy.. I'm all about the Eastwood.