Bioshock for the Playstation 3

[Vengeance]

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/875/875945p1.html

it's not completely true, but it would still be awesome. I'm glad all the PS3 owners finally have a chance to play this masterpiece (apparently the PC version has some technical bugs).

EDIT: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/05/22/bioshock-on-ps3-rumor-finally-confirmed-true/

[xIAMHUNTERx]

False.

Microsoft paid 2K a huge chunk of money to keep it on their systems.

[vidboy10]

Yes!!! =D

[Cerium]

I think thats just a rumor.... It wont be happening.

Bioshock 2 on the other hand......

[vidboy10]

I think thats just a rumor.... It wont be happening.


LOL your obliviously saying that because you dont like the Ps3 XD

[Cerium]

LOL your obliviously saying that because you dont like the Ps3 XD

Thats not the reason at all. I just dont think its true and it hasn't been confirmed.
And xIAMHUNTERx made a very valid point.

[vidboy10]

Thats not the reason at all.

Sure it is..... quit acting like a fanboy dude =/

[shadysaiyan]

I think it may happen with Bioshock 1, but im pretty sure bioshock 2 will be muliplatform. Same with Mass Effect.

[xIAMHUNTERx]

I'm going to go on record here and say:

If the 2007 Game of the Year, BioShock, developed by 2K Boston (formerly Irrational Games) and 2K Australia and published by 2K games, is ported to the PS3, I will EAT MY OWN COCK.

[mehdi5]

Well it has kinda been confirmed to be true, the English PSM3 and 1Up have announced a preview of the game in the next issue.
SOURCE:
http://www.gamed.nl/view/41126
(Sorry but source is not in English.)

[shadysaiyan]

@Hunter - I'm pretty sure Call of Duty 4 was Game of the Year :D

[xIAMHUNTERx]

@Hunter - I'm pretty sure Call of Duty 4 was Game of the Year :D

<___>

[shadysaiyan]

also here it is in Anglish!

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189519

[Cerium]

Sure it is..... quit acting like a fanboy dude =/

Grow up man! You have no right to call me a fanboy just because I dont think a rumor is true!! Get over it.

[XCore]

False.

Microsoft paid 2K a huge chunk of money to keep it on their systems.

*cough cough* What about *cough cough* Ninja Gaiden *cough cough* or *cough cough* Saints Row

[xIAMHUNTERx]

*cough cough* What about *cough cough* Ninja Gaiden *cough cough* or *cough cough* Saints Row

I'm pretty sure Saints Row is still a 360 exclusive.

And Sigma was just a remake.

[XCore]

I'm pretty sure Saints Row is still a 360 exclusive.

And Sigma was just a remake.

Saints Row was planned for PS3, but was scrapped to develop SR2 which is not a 360 exclusive. May I also mention UT3? It was scheduled as a 360/PC exclusive, but the 360 version was hold back, and they developed the PS3 version which is much better. According to Epic Games, online for PS3 is more sophisticated for them and that user created modifications (mods) will not be present on the 360 due to the strict rules.

Sigma wasn't a remake. It was a patched version of Black, with a higher framerate and more costumes I think

[shadysaiyan]

Saints Row was planned for PS3, but was scrapped to develop SR2 which is not a 360 exclusive. May I also mention UT3? It was scheduled as a 360/PC exclusive, but the 360 version was hold back, and they developed the PS3 version which is much better. According to Epic Games, online for PS3 is more sophisticated for them and that user created modifications (mods) will not be present on the 360 due to the strict rules.

Sigma wasn't a remake. It was a patched version of Black, with a higher framerate and more costumes I think


thats not entirely true, UT3 on the PS3 is better, but the 360 version will have 2 player splitscreen, but that is only to make up for it not have mods "directly" meaning the only way the 360 is getting mods is through M$ which mean they gotta pay:) but im pretty sure sometime after the 360 version is released, someone will rip the splitscreen code from the 360 version and mod it to the PS3.

[XCore]

thats not entirely true, UT3 on the PS3 is better, but the 360 version will have 2 player splitscreen, but that is only to make up for it not have mods "directly" meaning the only way the 360 is getting mods is through M$ which mean they gotta pay:) but im pretty sure sometime after the 360 version is released, someone will rip the splitscreen code from the 360 version and mod it to the PS3.

And I'm a bit sure that Ninja Gaiden 2 will be released for the PS3 as Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 but published by Tecmo instead of MS. I think it will because, 360 players are more into FPS games while PS3 owners are more into action and adventure. And the PS3 pricedrop is coming this summer (-50USD from original price).

[Vengeance]

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/05/22/bioshock-on-ps3-rumor-finally-confirmed-true/

[Ratchetcomand]

I still don't see the hype for Bioshock. It just another FPS if you ask me, Halo & Half Life are better IMO.

[Cerium]

I still don't see the hype for Bioshock. It just another FPS if you ask me, Halo & Half Life are better IMO.

DUDE! HAVE YOU ACTUALLY PLAYED BIOSHOCK!?!?

[Vengeance]

stop being such a baby. Not everyone will like the game, not that he said "IMO". Bioshock is one of those you-love-it-or-you-hate-it games if you ask me. I loved it, but I can understand it when people didn't. Jeez you need to calm down and stop being so god damn immature.

[xIAMHUNTERx]

I do find it funny that "PS3fanboy.com" has the "definitive" proof that BioShock - what they're calling the 360's best shooter (and it is) - is coming to the PS3. It seems like desperation to me.

Mark my words - BioShock isn't hitting Sony platforms.

[Techne]

Who wants sloppy seconds?

[Cerium]

stop being such a baby. Not everyone will like the game, not that he said "IMO". Bioshock is one of those you-love-it-or-you-hate-it games if you ask me. I loved it, but I can understand it when people didn't. Jeez you need to calm down and stop being so god damn immature.

Look who's talking -.-
Picking a fight again are we? I would of thought you'd learnt your lesson after the first couple of hundred times.

[xIAMHUNTERx]

Halo > BioShock

Halo sucks cock.

BioShock was a marvel.

[Ratchetcomand]

DUDE! HAVE YOU ACTUALLY PLAYED BIOSHOCK!?!?

I have play it when my friend got it on the first day it came out. I try it and i did not like it. The gameplay is just another FPS, the main charcther has no development and the other charcthers don't have that much development as well.

I think Half Life was just a better game IMO.

[Cerium]

I have play it when my friend got it on the first day it came out. I try it and i did not like it. The gameplay is just another FPS, the main charcther has no development and the other charcthers don't have that much development as well.

I think Half Life was just a better game IMO.

Well without spoiling TOO much, I think Atlas has quite alot of development as a character:p

But thats cool, I respect your opinion. At least your not throwing out childish insults like Vengenace was *Pfft and he called me immature*

[Shadow the Hedgehog]

I'm going to go on record here and say:

If the 2007 Game of the Year, BioShock, developed by 2K Boston (formerly Irrational Games) and 2K Australia and published by 2K games, is ported to the PS3, I will EAT MY OWN COCK.

That's impossible without surgically removing a rib.


Halo sucks cock.

Now that, on the other hand, is entirely possible :p

[HalfSwiss]

I bought the 360 version, I haven't even played it yet (OMG...), but I go against most of the crowd because I'm a PS3 fanboy, so I'll might as well trade mine in (I'd expect to still get a little over $20 or so, and I traded in Halo 3 and got like $21 for that, IMO, extremely overrated game) and get the PS3 version. I'm not sure. I'll probably test out the 360 one first.

[Ratchetcomand]

Well without spoiling TOO much, I think Atlas has quite alot of development as a character:p
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Well the main character did not talk at all much and i got bored with the story fast. Bioshock is not my type of game.

[xIAMHUNTERx]

Well the main character did not talk at all much and i got bored with the story fast. Bioshock is not my type of game.

All due respect, I really just don't think you understand it.

[Ratchetcomand]

I just like Half Life 2 better IMO.

[xIAMHUNTERx]

That's impossible without surgically removing a rib.

No it's not... Trust me. <___>

[Shadow the Hedgehog]

No it's not... Trust me. <___>

Yeah but the tip's near-impossible

Thread=locked :p

[xIAMHUNTERx]

Yeah but the tip's near-impossible

Thread=locked :p

Dude srsly.

Not impossible. Haha. I would know.

[Moogle]

I doubt theres any chance of it going on the PS3.
Like Hunter said im pretty sure that Microsoft payed them too keep it on the 360...

But I really want it too so Hunter eats his dick >__>.

[shadysaiyan]

100% Confirmed!

http://kotaku.com/5010612/more-bioshock-ps3-details-emerge-from-egm
also looks like bioshock will have HOME integration.

Hunter i feel i need that betting money you put up... :D

[xIAMHUNTERx]

First comment: "I'll believe it when I see it."

As will I. Until 2K makes an official announcement, I'm not emasculating myself, thank you very much.

Also, have I mentioned this isn't happening? Because it isn't. I promise every person here, BioShock is NOT coming to the PS3.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/denied/levine-there-will-be-no-ps3-bioshock-293304.php

"Exclusive deal" = They're not screwing over Microsoft. You mark my words, this rumor will be put to rest by this time tomorrow.

[shadysaiyan]

Can't find it but i remember reading it sometime last year. The Bioshock contract exclusivity was for like 9 months.

[Sens]

One world Four Letters... w00t!

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/875/875945p1.html

[ELCrazy]

Okay, Ryan, shall I prepare the plates? Knives?

[Vengeance]

Face it, the game is coming to the PS3, whether you want it to or not.

Oh, and Cerium, fuck off. You're the one who's acting like a child, not me. You were totally freaking out when Ratchet said he didn't like the game. If anyone's trying to pick a fight it's yourself as always.

Oh, and ratchet, with all due respect I love Half-Life 2, (and I actually agree it's a slightly better game than Bioshock (but not by an avalance, just a little bit)) but Gordon Freeman had about just as much character development as Jack, maybe even less.

[shadysaiyan]

Okay, Ryan, shall I prepare the plates? Knives?

Hahaha, Yeah, is thou ready *buzzsaw* :p

Edit: @Vengeance - I really don't get what people see in Half-Life 2, i played HL2/Episode 1/Episode 2 and i gotta say, it was pretty good, but, most of the time it was boring. On top of that, thought throughout the whole experience...Goran say one f**kin word...come on you mute! but he just gets told what to do and can't think for himself. now that i mention that, what is the point of showing the guy on the boxart, if you never even see him?? I never even saw a mirror in the game. [/rant]

[Cerium]

Oh, and Cerium, fuck off. You're the one who's acting like a child, not me. You were totally freaking out when Ratchet said he didn't like the game. If anyone's trying to pick a fight it's yourself as always.


*sigh* you really need to sort out your anger issues!!
I was not freaking out at Ratchet at all!! It was just a joke!! Ratchet knew it was a joke and you didnt see him getting all angry and stressy about it. But of course, you NEED to get involved with your childish name calling and suchlike.

So you were getting involved in something that had nothing to do with you, you started saying i was acting like a baby and calling me immature and stuff yet you ACCUSE ME of trying to start a fight?

Considering you're on Reed's final warning, I suggest you cool it a bit and stay out of my way.

[Vengeance]

It was just a joke!!

yeah, that's everyone's excuse. you made absolutely no way of implying that it was a joke. a ":p" emoticon would suffice, but from what you had done with your comment left me with no choice but to think you were being serious.

[Cerium]

yeah, that's everyone's excuse. you made absolutely no way of implying that it was a joke. a ":p" emoticon would suffice, but from what you had done with your comment left me with no choice but to think you were being serious.

Firstly, Ratchet knew i was kidding about. Secondly, it wasn't even aimed at you. Thirdly, you get involved for NO reason with your childish attitude and THEN you say that i was the one trying to start a fight?!
What was you thinking? "Oh look! A free opportunity to attack Cerium, I cant miss this chance!" Get real dude, why did you even get involved?? Oh yeah, you're Vengeance with that great reputation about starting arguements and fights with your angry temper. Yes, I know i haven't exactly been an "angel" in the past but when people like you are obviously trying to wind me up, it doesnt help!
Now please.... if you cant be nice, STAY OUT OF MY WAY!! I do not wish to be involved in anymore arguements with you. And this will be my last comment on the matter...

[Vengeance]

right, if you could quote me something in this thread from me that was "immature" i'd be grateful.

Oh, and where did this "reputation for starting fights" come from? I haven't been gone for long, what did I miss?

[Vengeance]

oh, and also, Ryan... Oblivion was 06's Game of the Year, and that got ported to the PS3 in 07. Not to mention it was also published by 2K.

The announcement of Bioshock PS3 is on pretty much every major gaming site now. IGN, Joystiq, EGM, you name it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioshock

Ken Levine won't be the director, though. Some bloke called Jordan Thomas, but it's not like that'll make any difference.

[Ladykiller]

I'm actually very excited for this, since I'll be getting a ps3 soon.

On that note, do some of you really hate the ps3 so much that you don't want ps3 owners to play this outstanding game?

If so, then some of you need to grow some balls.

[Cerium]

I'm actually very excited for this, since I'll be getting a ps3 soon.

On that note, do some of you really hate the ps3 so much that you don't want ps3 owners to play this outstanding game?

If so, then some of you need to grow some balls.


Despite what people have accused me off, thats not me;)
Bioshock is a fantastic game and MY game of the year 2007. I would love as many people to play it as possible.
Of course, the 360 version will be a better playing experience due to the nice vibrations.... well unless you have a Dualshock 3 but I dont even know if they are out yet in the UK considering none of my friends have one:rolleyes:

VIBRATIONS FTW!!

[Vengeance]

so? vibrations barely change the experience. In fact vibrating controllers annoy me. Play Just Cause and you'll know what I mean. I myself am not sure if DS3 is out in Europe but the game is due for release at the end of this year. The Dualshock 3 is going to be bundled with MGS4 so I presume that's when it'll debut on the market. But whether it's out yet or not, Bioshock on the PS3 will be playable with the Dualshock 3. But even if it isn't, it's no biggie. No reason to give the game an entire 1-2 points less for.

[Sens]

Despite what people have accused me off, thats not me;)
Bioshock is a fantastic game and MY game of the year 2007. I would love as many people to play it as possible.
Of course, the 360 version will be a better playing experience due to the nice vibrations.... well unless you have a Dualshock 3 but I dont even know if they are out yet in the UK considering none of my friends have one:rolleyes:

VIBRATIONS FTW!!

I imported my DS3 but...

Ive played the 360 version alot, and ive got to say the vibrations wont be greatly missed, ps3 users have coped just fine so far.

I do hope however they find some nice uses for sixaxis as uposed to just porting the game straight over.

[Vengeance]

Hahaha, Yeah, is thou ready *buzzsaw* :p

Edit: @Vengeance - I really don't get what people see in Half-Life 2, i played HL2/Episode 1/Episode 2 and i gotta say, it was pretty good, but, most of the time it was boring. On top of that, thought throughout the whole experience...Goran say one f**kin word...come on you mute! but he just gets told what to do and can't think for himself. now that i mention that, what is the point of showing the guy on the boxart, if you never even see him?? I never even saw a mirror in the game. [/rant]

Well, I think the thing about Half-Life 2 is how much it attaches you to the characters and storyline. Alyx Vance is arguably one of the best female characters in video gaming. Sure she's not Joanna Dark but she always had an amazing personality, the player always wanted her to win. Like, with Dog. After I'd played catch with him for 10 minutes, when he gets trapped in that cave and you gotta go to Ravenholm, and as you're walking away from him you really feel sorry for him. Like i'd only seen him for 10-15 minutes and I already felt emotionally attached with the character. I think it's better that Gordon never talks, it allows more development for the other characters and he doesn't steal the show from them. But it's annoying that you never even see his legs when you look down and when you're in vehicles you don't see him driving (although his hands would get in the way).

Oh, and you see him in Half-Life: Opposing Force, but that's only because you don't play as him. :p

[shadysaiyan]

^^^ I didn't get attached at all, i was like, why the hell am i helping these people....they are scientists and stuff, why dont they figure somethign out, id rather just get back on the train and get outta here :D also the one thing that makes me remember the game is pretty much the random monsters popping out of everywhere, stupid head crabs, i also really hated those cieling leech things.

[Vengeance]

oh yeah, the black head crabs... those things need to die.

oh, and back on topic - if anyone says "boy, I hope the PS3 version of Bioshock has multiplayer" I will eat your family.

[mehdi5]

I hope the PS3 version has multiplayer:p lol jk. First i was gonna by the PC version but when i heard of bugs in that version i decided not to buy but if the PS3 version comes out i'll be sure to add it to my collection.

[Chibi Cloud]

I'm actually very excited for this, since I'll be getting a ps3 soon.

On that note, do some of you really hate the ps3 so much that you don't want ps3 owners to play this outstanding game?

If so, then some of you need to grow some balls.
Me too! Trust me, you'll love the PS3. Not just for MGS4, but for much more.;) And you've GOT to give me your PS3 ID name so that I can add you.

Some of these fanboys need to grow up and stop acting so immature. If an exclusive gets ported to another console, then so be it.

Lmao, true true. :p

[XCore]

I hope the PS3 version has multiplayer:p lol jk. First i was gonna by the PC version but when i heard of bugs in that version i decided not to buy but if the PS3 version comes out i'll be sure to add it to my collection.

Umm, you know they released a patch to remove the bugs for PC?

[Dersnap]

I honestly can't see this happening, but it'd be pretty sweet if it did.

[Vekta101]

Um, guys, it is hapenning. It has been confirmed on IGN for gawds sake, how much more proof do you need?

IAMHUNTER, stop being such a bashful, immature fanboy. It is coming, and 2K never signed an exclusive deal they signed a timed exclusive deal.

Oh, and this means I can now give the game a rent without forking over $40+ for the PC version (single player only, lasting about 8 hours.. not worth it).

[Vengeance]

^

1) the game is better as a single-player only game, multiplayer would be unbalanced and completely broken (the plasmids and all)
2) the game is approximately 15 hours long on default difficulty

[Vekta101]

^

1) the game is better as a single-player only game, multiplayer would be unbalanced and completely broken (the plasmids and all)
2) the game is approximately 15 hours long on default difficulty

1) Exactly my point, when I buy a game it needs to have either good multiplayer or just several reasons to go back and play it again (differences next playthrough, different "non-story" game modes such as The Warriors, GTA, Skate)
2) 15 hours? I heard from most people it wasn't a very long game, which I construe to be 8-10 hours (6 is short, 7-10 is average, 11-15 is longish, 15-25 is long and 25+ is very long)

[Vengeance]

well depending on skill level, it's not a MASSIVE game... but it's definitely not a short one. if you play it about 2-3 hours a day it should take about a week to finish. if you're one of those people who will sit for an entire 24 hours playing a game you can finish it in about 2/3 of a day, on your first playthrough. I speedran through the game on my fourth playthrough and beat it in 7 hours, but I knew EXACTLY where everything was etc, and it was on easy mode. Nevertheless the game will keep you occupied for some time.

Also, it has more replay value than you think... it's hard to explain, but there are various different ways to play the game

[Vekta101]

If by that you simply mean the classic RPG-style "play through different" the next time, then that really doesn't count. I only replay games I extremely like, and at the moment all I want to do is play/beat it.

[Vengeance]

well think of it this way, you can be good or evil. at first you think it's the generic "you do different missions" or "this guy dies earlier" etc, it affects some things in the game which make it so you have to think which decision to make and whether it will make the game easier or harder for you.

for example, when you get to a Little Sister, you can rescue or harvest her, as you probably already know. If you rescue her, you get 80 ADAM (some kind of energy-currency in Rapture, you use it to buy Plasmids, upgrades etc.) but if you harvest (kill and take out some large insect inside her which gives you ADAM) you get 160 ADAM. If you rescue them Dr. Tennenbaum gives you a reward after 3-4 sisters, such as lots of medkits, ammo or some more ADAM. To get the "good" ending you have to save every single sister in the game, so that means you get only 80 ADAM for each but since there's about 20 of them in the game you get about 1200 ADAM altogether from Tennenbaum's rewards... to get the "evil" ending you have to harvest at least ONE sister, so depending on which ones you save, rescue, whatever, you get different amounts of ADAM. To sum it up, the amount of ADAM you have from the sisters completely affects which upgrades and plasmids you get at a certain point, which ultimately changes your performance in gameplay. it might seem like nothing for "changing the experience" but believe me it makes a lot of difference.

[Cerium]

Most people who say Bioshock is a short/easy game have only played it on easy difficulty. If you think its too short, play it on the hardest mode for a REAL challenge.

And it has three endings... Happy ending, Angry Ending and Sad ending....
So I agree with Vengeance, this game does have quite a bit of replay value compared to other FPS's.

[xIAMHUNTERx]

And it has three endings

o__O Since when?

[Cerium]

o__O Since when?

The Sad ending happens when you harvest some little sisters, and save some little sisters
The Angry ending happens when you harvest ALL little sisters

The endings are similar but the tone of voice is different on each ending. If your a big Bioshock fan like me, it's well worth checking out.

[xIAMHUNTERx]

Nah, I can't bring myself to harvest them... Plus I'm trying to get the Tonic Collector achievement on my playthrough now.

[ELCrazy]

Nah, I can't bring myself to harvest them... Plus I'm trying to get the Tonic Collector achievement on my playthrough now.

Yeah, same here.

My Geography teacher told me last year that when he harvested a little sister in front of his wife, he ended up sleeping on the couch xD

[xIAMHUNTERx]

*dies laughing*

Plus Tennenbaum's scary when she's mad. >___>

[ELCrazy]

*dies laughing*

Plus Tennenbaum's scary when she's mad. >___>

Yo, Ryan, get your damn butt on MSN NAO. :p

[Vekta101]

Yo, Ryan, get your damn butt on MSN NAO. :p

PM is uhh... that way ^^

[Vengeance]

yeah, you get the evil ending if you harvest at least one little sister, but if you harvest every single one you get the same ending but Tennenbaum sounds pissed off. And, is it just me, or does Tennenbaum look so much prettier in the little photograph that appears in the corner when she speaks to you than she does in reality?

[Vekta101]

Um, how is a change in vocal tone a "different ending".... ?

[Cerium]

Um, how is a change in vocal tone a "different ending".... ?

Because its different to the other endings?

If you that bothered about it, go write an email to 2K asking "how is a change in vocal tone a "different ending?"

[xIAMHUNTERx]

how is a change different

>___O

[Cerium]

>___O

LOL pwnd

[IceFox]

Um, how is a change in vocal tone a "different ending".... ?

Tone means a lot. I'd probably play through all 3 times if I wasn't lazy...so it's youtube for me!

[shadysaiyan]

Here's the preview of PS3 Bioshock from EGM, not much of a preview though.

http://scrawlfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/bioshock-egm.jpg



Well, the July 2008 issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly has hit subscribers meaning we have information from the BioShock preview for the PLAYSTATION 3 version. Lets do a breakdown.

- The graphics are the same as the Xbox 360 version of the game, although they may possibly notch it up a bit but it is still unknown.- The game will feature the Plasmid and fixes given to the Xbox 360 version via downloadable content right out of the box.

- The development team does admit that they are working with Sony to potentially "extend and augment the game" but it is too early to talk about it.

- The development team says "whatever we end up with via our discussions with Sony, coupled with the fact that BioShock allows you to go through and roll your own shooter in the first place...these two factors together would turn into a motive for replay." That being if you already had the Xbox 360 version of the game.

- The rest is them talking about the actual game and story and big developers like Ted Price from Insomniac Games weigh in on the title.

Thats all this issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly gives us. Perhaps new information will come when the press release is issued.

Source: Link (http://scrawlfx.com/2008/05/bioshock-information-from-egm-july-2008)

[nextwave]

Some of you guys are being babies. The more people able to play awesome games like Bioshock the better. Bioshock going to PS3 isn't going to affect you Xbox fanboys.

Also, Hunter give the whole "Halo sucks like your mother" thing a break. If not mindblowing, it's certainly a solid FPS. I think the Half-Life series is better, among others, but I think you're just saying it for internet cred. Sure Bioshock and COD4 are better, but Halo's not a bad game. [/rant] And also - how'd your cock taste? ;) *points at scan*

[Vekta101]

>___O

Wow, good on you, altering a quote and all.

FFS, I said ending, not ending sequence. Let me spell it out for you.

Ending = The events, actions and locations which determine the unshown future of the text.

Ending sequence = The exact dialogue, tone, action and misc. specific features which make up an ending.


See, a change in ending would mean, one person dies while another lives. A change in ending sequence would be changing the sentence "Damn you sir, you foiled my plan once again" to "Friggen hell, you screwed my plan".

You seriously have to be completely illiterate to not understand a difference.

Oh, and to that smartass (Cerium) who told me to write a letter to 2K, you need to get your positions straight. Commenting on other people's incorrect use of terms does not incite hate mail and/or complaining.

[E_G]

Yawn @ the petty arguments.